Wikidata:Property proposal/number of deaths in senior care homes

number of deaths in senior care homes

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science

   Not done

Description	total (cumulative) number of people who died in senior care homes, since start or as a direct result of an event or cause
Represents	death toll (Q65096341)
Data type	Quantity
Template parameter	not yet but could be added as a new field e.g. in the outbreak infobox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_outbreak
Domain	pandemics e.g. Q81068910, measures or observations e.g. Q193181
Allowed values	quantity (positive integer)
Example 1	COVID-19 pandemic (Q81068910) --> 10560 (in France, at 2020-08-18, provided by https://github.com/opencovid19-fr/data)
Example 2	influenza (Q2840) --> 1000
Example 3	heat wave (Q215864) --> 555
Planned use	France consolidates COVID19 death numbers by splitting global deaths and those specifically in senior care homes (EHPAD). We want to use this property to distinguish this in the reports per department, per region etc.
See also	number of deaths (P1120)

Motivation

The motivation comes from the way France consolidates daily figures of cases related to the COVID19 pandemic: it makes the distinction between the global number of deaths,and the number of deaths specifically in senior care homes (called EHPAD in France). Heatlh care services need this distinction to assess the effectiveness of security measures set up in those places.

I assume this distinction probably makes sense in others countries, although I have no evidence to support this. Hence the generic term "care homes for seniors" rather than the specific French EHPAD term.

The property could equally be applied to any dramatic event such as an earth quake, heat wave, etc.

Discussion

•  Oppose The examples don't look like they make sense. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@ChristianKl: Can you be more specific? Maybe I wrote it in the wrong way (Im not used to the syntax in these pages, sorry about that). The point is to denote cases such as:

COVID-19 pandemic (Q81068910) entailed 1000 deaths in senior care homes. The same property can be used for the seasonal influenza or for a heat wave: for instance, the 2003 heat wave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave) killed 14,802 people in France, mostly among the elderly.

Does it make more sense this way?

2003 European heat wave (Q1136557) is a different kind of item then heat wave (Q215864) ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 16:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

You are right, 2003 European heat wave (Q1136557) is an instance of heat wave (Q215864) which is not an event in itself but a more general concept. I can update the example with 2003 European heat wave (Q1136557) instead of heat wave (Q215864), this will make more sense. Are you ok with that? --- Franck Michel 16:40, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Samples are generally real statements that could be added to Wikidata. --- Jura 19:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Can you elaborate please? — Franck Michel (talk) 11:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

"1000" and "555" look like a made-up numbers. Please add references for all three statements. --- Jura 18:39, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

These are supposed to be *examples*, not actual facts ready to be published in Wikidata. So yes indeed, these are made up, yet does this hamper thinking about whether this property is worth or not? I added a valid figure to the Covid19 pandemic. Franck Michel (talk) 07:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposal almost always include three actual samples. We tend to not create the ones that don't have that. --- Jura 07:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Franck Michel: Property proposal are about thinking how certain fact can be modeled in Wikidata. For that it's important to have examples of actual facts. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Clearly lacking consensus. JesseW (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)