Wikidata:Property proposal/erected by

erected by

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

   Not done

Description	person who erected the organization or the structure
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Guwahati (Q1364571) → John Paul II (Q989)
Example 2	Roman Catholic Diocese of Barisal (Q21906977) → Pope Francis (Q450675)
Example 3	Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit (Q1364441) → Leo XII (Q43727)
Example 4	Roman Catholic Diocese of Charlotte (Q867825) → Paul VI (Q16975)
Planned use	Add it to dioceses of the Catholic Church.

Motivation

Good day, I discussed this off-wiki in different chatrooms with other contributors, and it was suggested to create a new property since none of the existing properties are really accurate for this (the closest we got are 'founded by' and 'creator'). This proposed property is to indicate which person erected an organization or structure. More specifically, it will be used to indicate which pope erected a diocese. Many Wikipedias have categories for this such as Q9133243 for example. Beside using it to indicate which pope erected a diocese, I also plan to use this property to indicate which bishop erected a parish. Thanks, Amqui (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Don't seem to have other properties that could replace this. --Fralambert (talk) 23:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment I'm not familiar with the church usage here, but "erected" seems an odd choice of verb - usually in English at least it refers to construction of some civil engineering structure - a building, bridge, dam, etc. We do have the property main building contractor (P193), but I could still see a lot of confusion with this label. Can you explain why approved by (P790) doesn't cover what you need here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

  I'm not sure why it's an "odd choice of verb" with "erected", when the related noun is "canonical erection". Amqui (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

  Never heard that expression before. Do you have a link? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

•  Oppose I doubt that John Paul II (Q989) did meaningful work in erecting Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Guwahati (Q1364571). He likely commissioned it or funded it's erection but he didn't erect it. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 18:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done @Amqui, Fralambert, ArthurPSmith, ChristianKl: Due to suggested alternative (approved by (P790)), expressed opposition, and lack of response to questions for over 160 days. JesseW (talk) 13:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@JesseW, ArthurPSmith: I had to modify approved by (P790) since it was restricted to "groups of humans", and obviously, a pope is not a "group of human", hopefully that won't be reverted, because, if that's the case, the proposed alternative is not viable. Amqui (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

That modification makes sense to me! JesseW (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)