Wikidata:Property proposal/Syro-Malabar Church Parish ID

Syro-Malabar Church Parish ID

First proposition (go to the second proposition)

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Withdrawn

Description	identifier for parish at Syro-Malabar Catholic Church Website
Represents	Syro-Malabar Church (Q64871)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	parish (Q102496) or church building (Q16970)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{0,4}
Example 1	St. Anthony's Syro-Malabar Catholic Forane Church (Q7587075) → 151
Example 2	St. George Syro-Malabar Catholic Basilica, Angamaly (Q7588226) → 99
Example 3	St. Mary's Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, Arakuzha (Q7590438) → 175
Example 4	St. Thomas Cathedral, Pala (Q7591925) → 2231
Example 5	Holy Family Church Mannila (Q5885456) → 1858
Source	http://www.syromalabarchurch.in/directory.php?type=parish
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Mix'n'match	3805
Number of IDs in source	3097
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://www.syromalabarchurch.in/parish.php?id=$1
See also	GCatholic church ID (P2971), A Church Near You church ID (P5464)

Second proposition

Syro-Malabar Catholic Church ID SMCC ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Syro-Malabar Catholic Church ID (P8658) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Syro-Malabar Catholic Church website identifier
Represents	Syro-Malabar Church (Q64871)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	instance or subclass of : religious building (Q24398318), religious administrative territorial entity (Q20926517), human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295)
Allowed values	(diocese_details|bishop|parish|priest|congregations|education_institutions|health_institutions):[1-9]\d{0,5}
Example 1	St. Anthony's Syro-Malabar Catholic Forane Church (Q7587075) → parish:151
Example 2	St. George Syro-Malabar Catholic Basilica, Angamaly (Q7588226) → parish:99
Example 3	St. Mary's Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, Arakuzha (Q7590438) → parish:175
Example 4	St. Thomas Cathedral, Pala (Q7591925) → parish:2231
Example 5	Holy Family Church Mannila (Q5885456) → parish:1858
Example 6	congregation Sisters of the Destitute (Q2290393) → congregations:63
Example 7	diocese or eparchy Syro-Malabar Catholic Eparchy of Bijnor (Q497273) → diocese_details:6
Example 8	priest George Panackal V.C. (Q5543180) → priest:10672
Example 9	education institutions Alphonsa Matriculation Higher Secondary School (Q30674180) → education_institutions:10592
Example 10	bishop Thomas Chakiath (Q2422942) → bishop:4
Source	http://www.syromalabarchurch.in/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Number of IDs in source	14087
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://wikidata-externalid-url.toolforge.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.syromalabarchurch.in%2F%251.php%3Fid%3D%252&exp=%28%5CS%2A%29%3A%28%5Cd%2A%29&id=$1
See also	GCatholic church ID (P2971), A Church Near You church ID (P5464)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

Database of Syro-Malabar Churches across worldwide. Contains records of all Syro-Malabar parishes, Cathedrals, Filial church and Foranes. ❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 15:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Gnoeee
Ranjithsiji
Ramjchandran
Bodhisattwa
Satpal Dandiwal
Sai K shanmugam
Naveenpf
Path slopu
John Samuel (talk)
Adithyak1997
Iamvivekkj (talk)
Manojk (talk)
Kiran Gopi (talk)
Wunderjeenie (talk)
NASIF C M (talk)
Vis M
Sam Varghese
JIT (talk)
Akbarali
Antony Alex John (talk)
Midlaj Av (talk)
Thrissurkaran (talk)
Ajeeshkumar4u (talk)
Al poth (talk)
arkArjun
Sriveenkat

Notified participants of WikiProject Kerala -❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 15:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

•  Support --Gerwoman (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Support - Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Support external identifier John Samuel (talk) 20:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Mahir256 (talk) 00:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Ranjithsiji (talk) 04:33, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support --Hannes Röst (talk) 15:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support--PATH SLOPU 12:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Satpal Dandiwal (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Strong oppose 1 property to forget all the other informations contained on this site, I don't agree. We can make several properties in order to contain the type constraints, but here, informations will be too few for each future property. Too few identifiers means no identifier, because when there is not enough identifier, properties are not created, as everyone knows. In summary, in the future, if I want to add the identifier 6 to Syro-Malabar Catholic Eparchy of Bijnor (Q497273), I will not be able to do it, because we will never create a property for 35 identifiers! The rest of the site contains a lot of very interesting information. Let's gather all the information from the site for a single property. Here is my proposal:
  • Label = Syro-Malabar Catholic Church ID SMCC ID
  • Description = Syro-Malabar Catholic Church website identifier
  • Item types (domain), RegEx (allowed values), source URL, Formatter URL, number of ids, external links have been changed.
  • expected completeness remains unchanged (as long as a virus does not decimate the population and babies are born…)
  • Obviously, the previous examples remain valid with other IDs, but other examples show you the scope of the property.
  • The Mix'n'match has also been removed. I will give ArthurPSmith a "pull request", for now the change can be seen on my Git.
  • syntax clarification (P2916) can be added to the property.
  • Some changes are in red.

@Gnoeee, Gerwoman, Bodhisattwa, Jsamwrites, Mahir256: and @Ranjithsiji, Hannes Röst, Path slopu, Satpal Dandiwal: —Eihel (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

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Please decide: Which of the proposals do you prefer? Enter 1 or 2 on a line below. A {{S}} will be implicitly included for the creation of proposition 2.

•  Comment: First of all the label you have suggested SMCC has not used any where in the website. Label SMCIM can be used instead of it as it has been used and mentioned in the website. The property that i proposed is only for creating an identifier for Syro-Malabar parishes, Cathedrals, Filial church and Foranes which are more in numbers than others items in Wiki. That doesn't mean i forget all the information on that website. Yes that's true the number of diocese's are less than 100 in numbers and a seperate property can't be created for that. But for the rest of all (some lists are not updated in the websites) we can create a separate property. It's seems to a good idea to create a single property for all the information available in a website.-❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 18:10, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gnoeee: proposal 2 has been adapted for your suggestion on the label —Eihel (talk) 10:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Support- The new proposal seems to be ok for me.-❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 15:29, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Comment Hello ArthurPSmith @Bodhisattwa, Mahir256: Perhaps you have an opinion on the second proposal? In any case, I cannot decently create the property. If either of you creates the property, I can finish filling it out if you want. —Eihel (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
• Proposal 2 seems fine to me. Not sure why I was pinged as I haven't commented here before. ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gnoeee, Gerwoman, Bodhisattwa, Jsamwrites, Mahir256: @Ranjithsiji, Hannes Röst, Path slopu, Satpal Dandiwal, Eihel, ArthurPSmith:  Done Syro-Malabar Catholic Church ID (P8658) Pamputt (talk) 17:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)