Wikidata:Property proposal/Sacrament conferred by
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Sacrament conferred by[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person
Withdrawn
| Description | MISSING |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | human (Q5) |
| Example 1 | Didier-Marie Proton (Q2366553) → significant event (P793)=priestly ordination in the Roman rite (Q41463697) sacrament conferred by: Gilles-Henri-Alexis Barthe (Q3106083), Charles Amarin Brand (Q716375) |
| Example 2 | François Esperet (Q19629385) → significant event (P793)=diaconal ordination (Q41463713) sacrament conferred by: Nestor (Q4317865) |
| Example 3 | → |
Motivation[edit]
To be used as a qualifier of P793. Would replace consecrator (P1598).
Notified participants of WikiProject Religions. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC).
Discussion[edit]
Comment I like the idea. It is a property that is needed a lot. But I would like to extend the use to Christian rites that are not sacraments, mainly in Protestant churches; Christian liturgical rite (Q20871782). For example: christian marriage (Q1043387), confirmation (Q188613), ordination (Q7519600). (There are interesting cases: Johannes Bugenhagen (Q77260) led the marriage of Martin Luther (Q9554) and Katharina von Bora (Q77239) etc.) I don't know what the correct term in English would be: "rite conferred by"? In German, it would be Kasualie or Amtshandlung.--Geogast (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Nomen ad hoc: If you are OK with Geogast's suggestion, I think this is probably suitable to be marked as "ready". JesseW (talk) 14:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- IMHO, this is a very important property and we should go on with the proposal. Any more opinions? Notified participants of WikiProject Religions--Geogast 🤲 (talk) 14:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- IMHO, this is a very important property and we should go on with the proposal. Any more opinions?
- @Nomen ad hoc: If you are OK with Geogast's suggestion, I think this is probably suitable to be marked as "ready". JesseW (talk) 14:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
Support but agreed that the name should reflect a more general use. The term I've seen in English is "officiated by" but that may be only specific to some religious organizations? Religious terminology seems hard to generalize sometimes; the meaning is basically the person who performed a religious action and would be generally useful I agree. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: I now think that conferred by (P1027) would suffice (but why not an alias "officiated by", indeed) to indicate "the person who performed a religious action". Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:09, 26 June 2021 (UTC).
- See Q2366553#P793 for an example. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC).
- @ArthurPSmith: I now think that conferred by (P1027) would suffice (but why not an alias "officiated by", indeed) to indicate "the person who performed a religious action". Nomen ad hoc (talk) 15:09, 26 June 2021 (UTC).
