Wikidata:Property proposal/FID ID
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FID performing arts ID[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
| Represents | Specialised Information Service Performing Arts (Q63859399) |
|---|---|
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | human (Q5), organization (Q43229), creative work (Q17537576) |
| Allowed values | ((agent|work)/gnd|Record/(ADKB|DTZ|FUB|STSB|TMD))_[\dBVX-]+ |
| Example 1 | Dario Fo (Q765), actor and playwright → agent/gnd_118534114 |
| Example 2 | Lucinda Childs (Q438806), choreographer and dancer → agent/gnd_133294994 |
| Example 3 | The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Q153886), 1920 film by Robert Wiene → work/gnd_4148820-9 |
| Example 4 | Christoph Willibald Gluck, Orpheus und Eurydike (program booklet) → Record/FUB_399125213 |
| Source | https://www.performing-arts.eu |
| Planned use | Template:Authority control (Q3907614) and stated in (P248) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.performing-arts.eu/$1 |
| Applicable "stated in"-value | Specialised Information Service Performing Arts (Q63859399) |
| Wikidata project | WikiProject Performing arts (Q59956276) |
Motivation[edit]
International collection of performing arts material. --Kolja21 (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control — Kolja21 (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)- Notified participants of WikiProject Performing arts — Kolja21 (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Notified participants of WikiProject Movies — Kolja21 (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Support -- Ontogon (talk) 14:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Oppose in current form for a few reasons. First, I'd suggest that there are multiple properties required, one for "agent" which appears to be a subclass of GND ID (P227) and one for "Record" which appears to be a subclass of some externally assigned identifier "FUB ID" that Wikidata doesn't yet have a property for? Secondly "work" as an identifier type appears to not be an identifier but rather a search URL looking up works created by someone who has an assigned GND ID (P227). Perhaps these new properties proposed could be required/useful as subclass of e.g. GND ID (P227) if this database contains details on only a smaller subset of the full list of items that could bear GND ID (P227). Could you please confirm via justification of the property how it is useful beyond just assigning GND ID (P227) to items and adding this site as an alternative formatter URI? --Dhx1 (talk) 04:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- The abbreviation stands for the place where the information first was found (FUB = Frankfurt Universitätsbibliothek, DTZ = Düsseldorfer Theaterzettel etc.) but that does not mean that the identifiers are subclasses or a search URL. The database contains its own information with stable IDs. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Kolja21 for clarifying. Is it possible then for a human ("agent") to have an identifier assigned under this scheme that isn't prefixed with "gnd_", or a record assigned under this scheme that isn't prefixed with "FUB_"? Could some further examples be added showing this? Dhx1 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- There are prefixes like ADKB, DTZ, GND, TMD etc. I don't know of a second identifier without a prefix. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Kolja21: I've added a tentative regex above. Please tell us whether all possible combinations are reflected: "agent|work" are "gnd", whereas "Record" is all the other sources (I added a source from examining the site). Cheers! --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 08:54, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- There are prefixes like ADKB, DTZ, GND, TMD etc. I don't know of a second identifier without a prefix. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Kolja21 for clarifying. Is it possible then for a human ("agent") to have an identifier assigned under this scheme that isn't prefixed with "gnd_", or a record assigned under this scheme that isn't prefixed with "FUB_"? Could some further examples be added showing this? Dhx1 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- The abbreviation stands for the place where the information first was found (FUB = Frankfurt Universitätsbibliothek, DTZ = Düsseldorfer Theaterzettel etc.) but that does not mean that the identifiers are subclasses or a search URL. The database contains its own information with stable IDs. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, the examples given lead to records with useful info, linking to further useful info (eg https://hds.hebis.de/ubffm/Record/HEB399125213). Reusing existing identifiers (of GND, FUB, etc) is a legitimate strategy. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Dhx1: Which URLs are "search URL"?
- @Kolja21: I added "Wikidata project" and "applicable stated in value" in the template above. How about a regex, are the 2 patterns in your examples all the applicable patterns?
- @Vladimir Alexiev: Sorry, my technical knowledge is not good enough to understand the regex question. 2 patterns = GND and FUB? There are also the abbreviations/sources ADKB, DTZ, TMD etc. Or do you mean the entities agent, work and record? --Kolja21 (talk) 15:36, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- I mean both all of the sources, and all of the entities, and whether they appear in any combination or only in some combinations. From that info we'll make a regex to assure that only correct IDs are entered Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Vladimir Alexiev and @Kolja21, the example work/gnd_4148820-9 appears to be a search query for works by a particular author because the page returns "Search Results" as the title of the page. Dhx1 (talk) 22:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- It describes one particular work: Das Cabinett des Doktor Caligari, a film, with GND 4148820-9, https://viaf.org/viaf/316751849/. So it's a true ID. (GND and VIAF describe not only persons and orgs, but also works). Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 12:15, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
