Wikidata:Property proposal/Förvaltningshistorisk ordbok

Förvaltningshistorisk ordbok

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok ID (P11123) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Identifier in the Förvaltningshistorisk ordbok released by Svenska litteratursällskapet i Finland
Represents	Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok (Q98414308)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[0-9]*\/.*\/
Example 1	Civil Code of 1734 (Q10397125) → 19896/1734-ars-lag
Example 2	Q111015599 → 9913/rusthallare
Example 3	Q4356405 → 12852/rafst-och-rattarting
Example 4	riksdag (Q10655129) → 15981/riksdag
Planned use	With this property, add external IDs to Wikidata objects corresponding to entries in Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok (Q98414308), and to then use these entries in a new reference templates on Wikipedia in several languages, in the same way as previously done with Biografiskt Lexikon för Finland ID (urn.fi) (P10713) for templates en:Template:BLF, sv:Mall:BLF, fi:Malline:BLF, de:Vorlage:BiogrLexFinland, no:Mal:Biografiskt_lexikon_för_Finland, to create references on Wikipedia pages.
Number of IDs in source	13847
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://fho.sls.fi/uppslagsord/$1/
Applicable "stated in"-value	Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok (Q98414308)
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

Förvaltningshistorisk ordbok (Dictionary of administrative words in Finland, FHO) is a notable publication spanning thousands of words and entries relevant to Finland and its history. In addition to words and explanations it contains synonyms and translations that can be used to enrich Wikipedia, Wikidata and Wiktionary. Creating this property will make leveraging the publication systematic. Robertsilen (talk) 12:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Cogitato (talk) 13:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment could you add links to the values in the examples?--So9q (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

  @So9q I have added links now, is that how you meant? Robertsilen (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

  yes, thank you.  Support So9q (talk) 07:28, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Support I think it would be better to not have the slash at the end of the URL part of the identifier. That way you have num/nam instead of num/nam/, but that's a matter of taste I suppose. Infrastruktur (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

  I agree that the trailing slash is not part of the identifiers and should therefore be in the formatter URL. --Push-f (talk) 12:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Push-f Thank you for the comment! I felt neutral about the trailing slash, but I added it now. Robertsilen (talk) 08:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks! They might update their URL design in the future in which case we have better chances of just being able to update the formatter URL if we don't include unnecessary details in the ids. I took the liberty of updating the examples accordingly :) --Push-f (talk) 09:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Push-f yes, makes sense! Thank you for updating the links :) @Infrastruktur, fyi I dropped the trailing slash. Robertsilen (talk) 07:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• I suppose this is ready to be created now? Robertsilen (talk) 08:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

  I just realized that the part after the numeric ID is actually not required e.g. https://fho.sls.fi/uppslagsord/15981/riksdag/ can also be accessed via https://fho.sls.fi/uppslagsord/15981/-/. Now we obviously do not want to rely on undocumented behavior but it would be nice if we could just use the numeric IDs. Perhaps you can write the SLS an email asking them if they can implement a redirect so that e.g. https://fho.sls.fi/uppslagsord/15981 redirects to https://fho.sls.fi/uppslagsord/15981/riksdag/? Then we could just use the numeric IDs. --Push-f (talk) 11:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Push-f, thanks, I asked SLS, and they replied they have asked their IT-department about redirects on fho.sls.fi. If they make the change, I'll change the Allowed value to [0-9]* - I suppose I can do that before or after the property has been created. Robertsilen (talk) 08:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, once it is marked as ready it will eventually be created. But there is a bit of a backlog. I will make a mental note of it, unless someone beats me to it I will try to have it done by tomorrow. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Infrastruktur Thank you, cheers! Robertsilen (talk) 08:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done as Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok ID (P11123). @Robertsilen, Push-f: Infrastruktur (talk) 13:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Infrastruktur, hello, thank you for creating the property, I have started populating it. I'm also using content from the source for creating lexemes. Is it ok if I add to the property's instance of (P31) the value Wikidata property for lexemes (Q54254515) ? Then I could point at Förvaltningshistorisk Ordbok ID (P11123) from lexeme statements without warnings. Thank you for your reply. Robertsilen (talk) 08:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

That's probably ok, I'll have to make a change to the constraints as well. Infrastruktur (talk) 11:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)