Wikidata:Events/Telegram office hour 2023-04-19

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Participants

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  1. Arian
  2. Camillo
  3. Christos
  4. Daniel Erenrich
  5. Evelien
  6. Giovanni B.
  7. GreenReaper
  8. Itamar
  9. Jan Ainali
  10. Jeff Goeke-Smith
  11. Jon Amar
  12. Lucas Werkmeister
  13. Lydia Pintscher
  14. Moebeus
  15. Mohammed Sadat
  16. Nikki
  17. Valerie WMDE
  18. wikilinksbot
  19. মাহির মোরশেদ

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2023-04-19T16:06:52 <Lydia Pintscher> First thing was the release of the Wikibase REST API on Wikidata.
2023-04-19T16:07:14 <Lydia Pintscher> That is now available in a first version and gives you programmatic access to Item data.
2023-04-19T16:07:32 <Lydia Pintscher> We're adding more now based on feedback.
2023-04-19T16:07:49 <Mohammed Sadat> reply to <মাহির মোরশেদ> "<new_chat_participan…" <message_thread_id> thanks Mahir
2023-04-19T16:07:51 <Lydia Pintscher> We hope that that will make it a lot easier to build cool applications on top of Wikidata's data.
2023-04-19T16:08:01 <Lydia Pintscher> You can find more about the REST API at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:REST_API
2023-04-19T16:08:25 <Lydia Pintscher> And if you've tried it and have feedback I'd love to have you leave your feedback here to help us build it out: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:REST_API_feedback_round
2023-04-19T16:08:45 <Lydia Pintscher> Another big thing was the start of the development for EntitySchemas version 2.
2023-04-19T16:09:22 <Lydia Pintscher> EntitySchemas are there to help us define how certain classes in Wikidata should be modeled but so far they are not as great and useful as they could be. So we're improving them.
2023-04-19T16:09:43 <Arian> <new_chat_participant,new_chat_member,new_chat_members>
2023-04-19T16:09:46 <Lydia Pintscher> The first thing we're doing right now is adding a new datatype that makes it possible to link to EntitySchemas in statements.
2023-04-19T16:09:55 <Lydia Pintscher> We'll have something for testing ready soon.
2023-04-19T16:10:26 <Lydia Pintscher> Another thing we did was run a survey about the different types of ontology issues reusers are running into with our data.
2023-04-19T16:10:48 <Lydia Pintscher> We're now analyzing the responses and will have something to share soon as well hopefully.
2023-04-19T16:11:37 <Lydia Pintscher> Another big thing we worked on was improving the Query Builder. It now supports more datatypes so you can write more queries with it. It now supports the datatypes Lexeme, Sense, Form, URL and Property as well.
2023-04-19T16:12:01 <Lydia Pintscher> In addition to these larger things we also worked on a few smaller improvements:
2023-04-19T16:12:40 <Lydia Pintscher> Lua now has a getDescriptionByLang and getBadges function to make it possible to get badges and descriptions more easily on Wikipedia and co via Lua.
2023-04-19T16:13:25 <Lydia Pintscher> Constraints have been improved by now also showing the constraints clarification messages. That hopefully makes it a lot less confusing for people why they are seeing a certain constraint violation and makes it easier for them to fix it.
2023-04-19T16:14:34 <Lydia Pintscher> We also looked into improving search. It has come up many times that the current search only gives you Item results and it is not obviouss how to find Properties and Lexemes for example. We've looked into a few options to make it more obvious how to search for Lexemes and Properties. We've not settled on a solution yet but hopefully soon.
2023-04-19T16:15:40 <Lydia Pintscher> And last but not least we have improved the parsing of dates for Czech and Japanese dates. So now date input for these languages should result in less weird and incorrect parsing. Thank you Matej for moving this forward!
2023-04-19T16:15:55 <Lydia Pintscher> And with that I hand over to Jon for some updates on WB Suite!
2023-04-19T16:16:02 <Jon Amar> Hello from Wikibase Suite (or if you prefer... 🍬Sweeeet🍬)
2023-04-19T16:16:19 <Jon Amar> Our big big news is our Engineer Manager has started and completed hiring for all 4 of the developers that we had funding to hire this year. :D They will be entirely focused on Wikibase Suite topics. Two are starting in May and two in June! They're awesome humans and experienced developers so we're really excited for them to join.
2023-04-19T16:16:50 <Jon Amar> They will of course need some time to onboard and get comfortable with the codebase, so no massive changes overnight but I'm really excited for us to be able to start picking up development work in this realm again.
2023-04-19T16:17:15 <Jon Amar> I wanted to say a big ***THANK YOU*** to those who filled out or shared the Wikibase Suite survey.
2023-04-19T16:17:23 <Jon Amar> We're working on analyzing the results and will be sharing those out with you in the next few weeks. Keep an eye on the mailing list for that announcement.
2023-04-19T16:17:35 <Jon Amar> In the meantime, some interesting takeaways to wet your beaks: 🕊
2023-04-19T16:17:54 <Jon Amar> Overall the Suite community trends towards experts. Twice as many people consider themselves intermediate or advanced users over novice (in both data modeling and technical expertise which we asked about separately).
2023-04-19T16:18:00 <Jon Amar> Yet, despite this expertise, most community members don’t receive payment for their work (61%) with Wikibase.
2023-04-19T16:18:25 <Jon Amar> Perhaps unsurprisingly the best way to install Wikibase is not to install it at all, with Wikibase Cloud being the preferred route to get a Wikibase up and running.
2023-04-19T16:18:43 <Jon Amar> Still if you're going to DIY docker seems to be the preferred option as it received 5x as favorites compared to both git and tarball combined.
2023-04-19T16:19:34 <Jon Amar> A challenge we face across tech and the Wikimedia movement is reflected in our Wikibase cornered as well. There’s a huge gender gap in the Suite community with six times as many respondents identifying as men than women.
2023-04-19T16:19:55 <Jon Amar> That's it from our little (but growing) squad. Let me know if you have any questions!
2023-04-19T16:20:16 <Valerie WMDE> 🎊
2023-04-19T16:20:23 <Jon Amar> On to Evelien for Wikibase Cloud :D
2023-04-19T16:20:41 <Evelien> Thanks Jon! Hi everyone! 😃
2023-04-19T16:21:05 <Evelien> Wikibase Cloud has had a great, but very challenging first quarter of this year
2023-04-19T16:21:56 <Evelien> Our sole development goal was making sure every Wikibase on Cloud could make use of ElasticSearch, instead of the limited search we had available since going live, so that people would no longer have any issues with finding their data. This is also a major scalability concern for our platform, and a blocker in opening it up more widely
2023-04-19T16:22:27 <Evelien> So in February, we rolled out ElasticSearch to all Wiki’s and re-enabled it for any new Wiki created on the platform
2023-04-19T16:23:29 <Evelien> We’ve had many challenges with this major change, since ElasticSearch does not scale well for our use case of multiple hosted Wikibases instead of just one. Wikibase Cloud users experienced this through multiple search outages as well as the occasional platform outage
2023-04-19T16:24:11 <Evelien> We want to thank everyone for being such a good sport while we figure this out!
2023-04-19T16:25:09 <Evelien> Next to this, we’ve upgraded all Wikibases on Cloud to MediaWiki version 1.38 and generally improved internal system observability and monitoring, so we can make sure the platform is stable as we scale further
2023-04-19T16:26:24 <Evelien> Our Research team has been busy as well, doing multiple user interviews to fully map the data modeling experience outside of and using Wikibase, so we could pinpoint where we can make the biggest improvements in this area. This topic came up as the most important for new users in our 2022 survey (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibase_Cloud_UX_Research.pdf)
2023-04-19T16:26:37 <Evelien> Big thanks to the participants for the great insights!
2023-04-19T16:26:56 <Evelien> And with that, I'll hand it back over to Mohammed
2023-04-19T16:27:07 <Mohammed Sadat> htanks Evelien
2023-04-19T16:27:20 <GreenReaper> reply to <Jon Amar> "I wanted to say a bi…" <message_thread_id> I got 2/3 through filling that on mobile and the survey tab reloaded without my entries so I got disheartened and didn't do it. Sorry about that. One more vote for "Wikibase.cloud is easy to try stuff" with a "probably using git for my actual deployment" plus "I got the ARM64 version JM F did for Raspberry Pi working and it was cool, might be a nice option for cheap Oracle Cloud servers" (but I mentioned that already).
2023-04-19T16:27:21 <Mohammed Sadat> Shifting gears a bit to chekc out some of the other things that happened outside of development. Starting with the Wikidata community
2023-04-19T16:27:43 <Mohammed Sadat> There were no requests for Adminship in the past quarter
2023-04-19T16:27:54 <Mohammed Sadat> hope that some of you brave souls will consider picking up the mop :)
2023-04-19T16:28:07 <Mohammed Sadat> 25 new bot requests were made. So far 16 of them have been approved \o/
2023-04-19T16:28:21 <Mohammed Sadat> Huge thanks to all the amazing people running these bots and making Wikidata better
2023-04-19T16:28:32 <Mohammed Sadat> And a special shoutout to @Ymblanter and @Lymantria for closing most of them!
2023-04-19T16:28:36 <Mohammed Sadat> On events:
2023-04-19T16:28:55 <Mohammed Sadat> WikiCite meetups are taking place once a month, to revive and discuss various topics related to academic papers and how they are handled on the Wikimedia projects
2023-04-19T16:29:04 <Mohammed Sadat> If you want to get involved in the discussion, you can join the WikiCite Telegram group (https://t.me/joinchat/FeOscRxFj17BRhwX-Mg7Sg)
2023-04-19T16:29:14 <Mohammed Sadat> Thanks to @harej for coordinating this effort!
2023-04-19T16:29:30 <Mohammed Sadat> Whether you're talking about Wikidata at conferences and workshops, creating videos, or running weekly challenges - thank you all for your incredible contributions to the project!
2023-04-19T16:29:46 <Mohammed Sadat> Some new tools got built got in the past quarter, as well as old tools that got increased attention this quarter that you might not have heard of yet:
2023-04-19T16:29:53 <Mohammed Sadat> Query Chest (https://query-chest.toolforge.org/) --> is a tool by @Ladsgroup that allows you to store Wikidata queries if they are too long for w.wiki to shorten them
2023-04-19T16:30:13 <Mohammed Sadat> Let’s Quiz (https://letsquiz.com/) --> is a game that generates random quizzes to test your knowledge & learn something new every day
2023-04-19T16:30:34 <Mohammed Sadat> Space Industry around the World (https://industry.openmaps.space/) --> is a map generated of organizations and locations using data from sources including Wikidata
2023-04-19T16:31:32 <Mohammed Sadat> https://pauken.toolforge.org/ is a tool by Magnus Manske to help you learn new vocabulary and contribute to lex. data on Wikidata
2023-04-19T16:32:00 <Mohammed Sadat> ...as well as some userscripts that could be helpful for you
2023-04-19T16:32:14 <Mohammed Sadat> m:AutosuggestSitelink --> is a gadget that suggests Wikidata Items for possible linking with a Wikimedia site page, using interwiki linking
2023-04-19T16:32:18 <Mohammed Sadat> User:So9q/openalex-search-link-on-lexemes.js --> adds a link to Wikidata:Ordia in the Tools section on items
2023-04-19T16:32:30 <Mohammed Sadat> User:Zvpunry/WikibaseEcho.js --> shows the labels of entities in your notifications
2023-04-19T16:32:48 <Mohammed Sadat> During the past quarter, many new WikiProjects were started. I counted more than 20 and a few of which include:
2023-04-19T16:33:11 <Mohammed Sadat> Wikidata:WikiProject Source Reliability --> aims to collect and aggregate online assessments of the credibility and reliability of sources
2023-04-19T16:33:14 <Arian> <sticker>
2023-04-19T16:33:22 <Mohammed Sadat> Wikidata:WikiProject Emoji --> aims to create and maintain Wikidata items for emojis
2023-04-19T16:33:38 <Mohammed Sadat> WikiProject Large Language Models --> aims to track and model Large Language Models and their applications
2023-04-19T16:33:38 <Jon Amar> reply to <GreenReaper> "<message_thread_id> …" <message_thread_id> Ah I’m so sorry what a pain. Usually lamapoll will remember who you are on a given device so you can return to fill it out. Feel free to DM me more info on setup so I can try to prevent this for future folx. Appreciate you sharing some extra feedback here!
2023-04-19T16:33:51 <Mohammed Sadat> WikiProjects are great places to collaborate with others on a specific topic to improve Wikidata
2023-04-19T16:34:05 <Mohammed Sadat> Check them out and consider adding new ones to the Weekly summary so others can find them and join in on the fun! Wikidata:WikiProjects
2023-04-19T16:34:19 <Mohammed Sadat> Last but not least, here are a few interesting things to watch and read in different languages
2023-04-19T16:34:25 <Mohammed Sadat> Celebrating the impacts of Wikimedia Fulfulde Community on Wikidata --> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/04/05/7-in-7-celebrating-the-impacts-of-wikimedia-fulfulde-community-on-wikidata/
2023-04-19T16:34:34 <Mohammed Sadat> Finding Impossible Witches: Part One The Search Begins --> https://blogs.ed.ac.uk/witchcraft_visualisation/finding-impossible-witches-part-one/
2023-04-19T16:34:49 <Mohammed Sadat> This app places on a world map all the places that have their Wikipedia page --> https://lifehacker.com/this-app-turns-the-world-into-a-wikipedia-scavenger-hun-1850035668
2023-04-19T16:35:01 <Mohammed Sadat> Let's Connect Learning Clinic: Basic Lexeme with Asaf Bartov --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkFLa4m8yis
2023-04-19T16:35:13 <Mohammed Sadat> Adding sitelinks to Wikidata in Mobile view (in Hausa) --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AegX6jcqNE
2023-04-19T16:35:24 <Mohammed Sadat> Wikidata Workshop (adding books) (in Portuguese) --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-uWOD8w9jc
2023-04-19T16:35:34 <Mohammed Sadat> As a reminder…
2023-04-19T16:36:12 <Mohammed Sadat> The Wikimedia Hackathon takes place on May 19-21 in Athens, Greece. For those attending, you can check out the program mw:Wikimedia Hackathon 2023/Program and a list of Wikidata project ideas you can choose from phab:T90870
2023-04-19T16:36:30 <Daniel Erenrich> Is there a trick to list English Wikipedia articles without Wikidata items?
2023-04-19T16:36:31 <Mohammed Sadat> Want to stay updated on the latest that other community members are up to? Or maybe you want to share some of your own cool projects?
2023-04-19T16:36:35 <Mohammed Sadat> Then subscribe to the Wikidata Newsletter and consider contributing to it. Check it out here: Wikidata:Status updates
2023-04-19T16:36:54 <Mohammed Sadat> Now, onto @valerie_wmde to share some non-dev updates about Wikibase :)
2023-04-19T16:36:55 <মাহির মোরশেদ> reply to <Daniel Erenrich> "Is there a trick to …" <message_thread_id> en:Special:UnconnectedPages
2023-04-19T16:37:14 <Valerie WMDE> Heeey :)
2023-04-19T16:37:28 <Valerie WMDE> nice to e-meet you all again here!
2023-04-19T16:37:39 <Valerie WMDE> I also have some cool news to share
2023-04-19T16:38:08 <Valerie WMDE> one of them is the new blog series that I started writing
2023-04-19T16:38:17 <Valerie WMDE> you can find the article here
2023-04-19T16:38:18 <Valerie WMDE> https://tech-news.wikimedia.de/2023/04/11/lod-ifying-lexicographical-data/
2023-04-19T16:38:41 <Valerie WMDE> I started this series to shed more light onto different Wikibase projects :)
2023-04-19T16:39:04 <Valerie WMDE> more are about to come in the next months! stay tuned 🕊
2023-04-19T16:39:33 <Valerie WMDE> Other than that we uploaded the new Wikibase Cloud logo onto commons
2023-04-19T16:39:42 <Valerie WMDE> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikibase_Cloud_Logo_%E2%80%93_symbol.svg
2023-04-19T16:39:48 <Valerie WMDE> this is where you can find it
2023-04-19T16:40:15 <Valerie WMDE> next Thursday I'm going to host another Wikibase Live Session
2023-04-19T16:40:37 <Valerie WMDE> it will start at 6PM (Berlin time)
2023-04-19T16:40:54 <Daniel Erenrich> I like the new logo
2023-04-19T16:41:10 <Valerie WMDE> cool :)
2023-04-19T16:41:13 <Valerie WMDE> we also like it!
2023-04-19T16:41:28 <GreenReaper> Infinitely better than the no logo before!
2023-04-19T16:41:41 <Valerie WMDE> I agree @WikiNorn!
2023-04-19T16:42:21 <Christos> reply to <GreenReaper> "Infinitely better th…" <message_thread_id> The old one may be an item of retro desire in a couple of decades though :)
2023-04-19T16:42:37 <Valerie WMDE> When you go back to the survey results that Evelien shared before then you can see that many users could not make enough or good use of the existing documentation that we have
2023-04-19T16:42:59 <Valerie WMDE> that's why we tailored our actions to improving them
2023-04-19T16:43:10 <Valerie WMDE> I will announce them in these upcoming days so stay tuned :)
2023-04-19T16:43:38 <Valerie WMDE> Also! Christos our retro collector is also a Wikibase creator
2023-04-19T16:44:03 <Valerie WMDE> have a look at this Wikibase https://researchwb.wikibase.cloud/wiki/Main_Page
2023-04-19T16:44:31 <Valerie WMDE> on research-related resources about Wikibase 😊 feel free to contribute!
2023-04-19T16:45:07 <Christos> reply to <Valerie WMDE> "on research-related …" <message_thread_id> Please do! There’s so much out there..
2023-04-19T16:45:10 <Jeff Goeke-Smith> FWIW, I'm currently converting a wikibase install from Git to the published docker image. It hasn't exactly been a smooth ride and the documentation has been anything but complete. Yes, my results are recorded in the survey.
2023-04-19T16:45:23 <Henry Bryant Lanier Sr. #117> <new_chat_participant,new_chat_member,new_chat_members>
2023-04-19T16:45:25 <Valerie WMDE> So thank you :)
2023-04-19T16:45:55 <Valerie WMDE> I'm handing the mic over to @Nightrose
2023-04-19T16:46:16 <Lydia Pintscher> Ok let's get to what's up next for Wikidata development
2023-04-19T16:47:01 <Lydia Pintscher> We'll mainly focus on getting the next version of EntitySchemas out. As I said the next thing will be a new datatype to link to EntitySchemas. You'll be able to test it in the next weeks on beta Wikidata.
2023-04-19T16:47:43 <Lydia Pintscher> In parallel we'll continue building out the REST API. Specifically here we will look at making it work for Properties in addition to Items.
2023-04-19T16:48:13 <Lydia Pintscher> And last but not least we will finish analyzing the results of the ontology issues survey and have a discussion about what comes out of it.
2023-04-19T16:48:24 <Lydia Pintscher> What's in store for Suite, Jon?
2023-04-19T16:49:11 <Jon Amar> Thanks Lydia!
2023-04-19T16:50:03 <Jon Amar> Our big development accomplishment is that we got caught up with the Mediawiki release schedule
2023-04-19T16:50:44 <Jon Amar> So we're in parity with Mediawiki 1.39 currently and have started work on the soon to be released 1.40.
2023-04-19T16:51:36 <Jon Amar> As our new developers are joining the same month (May) Mediawiki is releasing 1.40 there might be some delay in getting that out but it's top of the list currently once people get up to speed.
2023-04-19T16:52:15 <Jon Amar> Beyond that we'll be focusing on providing a nice onboarding experience for these lovely humans joining us.
2023-04-19T16:52:33 <Jon Amar> On to Evelien :D
2023-04-19T16:53:01 <Evelien> Alright thanks Jon, here are the plans for Wikibase Cloud:
2023-04-19T16:53:49 <Evelien> We hope to see the ElasticSearch topic come to an end very soon, and are also already in the process of upgrading all Wiki’s on Cloud to MediaWiki version 1.39 (I believe we just wrapped this up 10 mins ago actually)
2023-04-19T16:54:24 <Evelien> When this is all wrapped up, we will focus our development efforts on improving the data modeling experience based on what we learned in the interviews mentioned earlier
2023-04-19T16:55:22 <Evelien> The results of the interviews will be published on Commons soon, the full report is not quite done yet. To give a heads up: We will start by making every Wiki on Wikibase Cloud visible and findable for everyone, but most importantly newcomers, to help them in their journey to get started with (data modeling with) Wikibase
2023-04-19T16:56:18 <Evelien> Finally, we want to open up the platform for everyone, by removing the invitation system and with that, move to an open beta. To make this happen, we need to make a few more adjustments in our development setup to be able to deal with the scale, as well as make changes to for example the wikibase.cloud homepage and sign up flow to make it a bit more welcoming 😁
2023-04-19T16:56:35 <Evelien> And that's all - back to Mohammed
2023-04-19T16:56:47 <Mohammed Sadat> Thanks Evelien.!
2023-04-19T16:56:57 <Mohammed Sadat> …and that concludes our presentations for today
2023-04-19T16:57:03 <Mohammed Sadat> Unfortunately, we don't have too much time left, but do you have any questions or comments you'd like to share with us? Feel free to ask away!
2023-04-19T16:57:29 <Mohammed Sadat> Or, do you have any exciting projects to share with the community? or accomplishments you want to brag about?
2023-04-19T16:57:35 <Mohammed Sadat> Now's your chance to shine! 🥁🥁💥🎉🥳🥁🥁 :D
2023-04-19T16:58:36 <Lucas Werkmeister> I’m super excited for the upcoming hackathon \o/
2023-04-19T16:58:55 <Mohammed Sadat> \o/
2023-04-19T16:59:38 <Valerie WMDE> \o/
2023-04-19T17:00:29 <Camillo> I'm teaching Wikidata at Florence University, 12 hours
2023-04-19T17:00:31 <Camillo> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Gruppo_Wikidata_per_Musei,_Archivi_e_Biblioteche/UNIFI/Master_biblioteconomia_2023
2023-04-19T17:00:58 <Moebeus> <photo> This has been mentioned before, but now that Joe Scranton has declared the world safe again, can we maybe feature something else (and less depressing?) on the frontpage?
2023-04-19T17:01:56 <Mohammed Sadat> any suggestion on what could go in there?
2023-04-19T17:02:04 <মাহির মোরশেদ> lexemes!!!!!
2023-04-19T17:02:27 <Moebeus> Q1163530
2023-04-19T17:04:25 <Nikki> the other suggestion I saw before was music
2023-04-19T17:05:42 <Jan Ainali> reply to <Mohammed Sadat> "Or, do you have any …" <message_thread_id> Not my work, but thanks to some dedicated users (mostly User:QubeCube) , Wikidata now have better structured metadata on the authors of Swedish parliamentary motions than the official open data portal (all the way back to 1972)
2023-04-19T17:05:54 <Valerie WMDE> Hey this was great! I will leave this meeting and wish you all a great evening/morning/noon 🌍
2023-04-19T17:06:20 <Mohammed Sadat> And with that, we've come to the end of our session
2023-04-19T17:06:25 <Mohammed Sadat> Thanks for being a part of it and we hope to see you again soon!
2023-04-19T17:06:40 <Jeff Goeke-Smith> Thank you.
2023-04-19T17:06:44 <Giovanni B.> Thanks!
2023-04-19T17:06:47 <Lucas Werkmeister> /me waves and is curious if the bot will work now
2023-04-19T17:06:52 <Mohammed Sadat> bye all 👋🏿
2023-04-19T17:06:57 <Itamar> Thank you!